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    July 12, 2020

    Fire Emblem You’re in my way! Time-skip Lysithea GBA styled portrait

    You’re in my way! Time-skip Lysithea GBA styled portrait

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 12:38 PM PDT

    Hoshido and Nohr

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 07:44 AM PDT

    The summer unit we all deserved.

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 03:07 PM PDT

    Summer Sharena - [ OC Fanart ]

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 03:38 PM PDT

    That’s some cake (OC art)

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 05:04 PM PDT

    Camilla Commission I requested [By Kana Yukino]

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 04:55 PM PDT

    The Culture of the Fire Emblem Community: An open letter

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 07:21 AM PDT

    Quick edit made as of 17:22 UTC on July 12th: Some of the images linked here show people saying explicit things.

    An open letter to all content creators, redditors, moderators of communities, and members of the Fire Emblem community, and to people of good will:

    The culture of the Fire Emblem community has become a burning concern for many people in our community as of late. These concerns and grievances have simmered within the community for some time; however, they have reached a breaking point recently with the outing of a famous YouTuber within the community as a sexual abuser, predator, and manipulator by multiple people. Many have pointed to his other behavior towards females in general (both fictional and real) as a warning sign for this; however, problematic behaviors like this in general by members of the community has not been addressed that much.

    Multiple threads have been created addressing specific parts of this topic such as whether Mangs' behavior in isolation is problematic or whether others should have continued to associate with Mangs. These threads were very important and provoked some discussion, but they did not cover the topic as much in detail as they could have.

    In this essay, we will take a deep look at several problems in the community. This includes the deep presence and normalization of the over-sexualization of fictional characters and sexual comments towards those characters, bigotry towards LGBTQIA+ people, and the accountability of content creators. We will deconstruct many of the currents in play in the community. Then, we will look at why this is problematic and suggest ways for this problem to be rectified.

    The prevalence of oversexualization within the games

    The sexualization of characters in Fire Emblem is nothing new to the series and it would be farcical to claim otherwise. It did not start with Awakening or even with The Blazing Blade as one can point to designs such as Lyn's or Silvia's that were likely designed with sex appeal in mind. However, it is undeniable that Fire Emblem has since Awakening designed characters with to play up sex appeal much more than it did before Awakening. There are many examples that can be pulled to show this; comparing Minerva to Camilla or comparing Titania to Sully comes to mind where designs have become outright unrealistic in the name of sexualization. Three Houses has lightened up a bit on this but designs are still more sexualized than they would be in previous games.

    Fire Emblem Heroes in many ways has taken this to an extreme that hasn't even been seen in the mainline games themselves. The various summer banners that have been released in the game come to mind, but there are also several other examples such as the hot springs banner that also sexualize the characters far beyond where they were in the original games. Some of these designs are very revealing to the point where they have become borderline softcore pornography. The design of Summer F!Byleth/Rhea which was just released comes to mind; it is extremely revealing and sexualized. In fact, it is so revealing that the original art within the game was posted on the Fire Emblem Rule 34 subreddit unaltered. Surely this is an indicator that this art is outright softcore pornographic even if it does not show nudity.

    This section is not meant to be a commentary on this trend within the games nor an outright criticism of this direction. It is meant to lay down the undisputed facts that the series has taken a direction where it has sexualized characters more than previously and has attempted to market the games on this. We cannot change what Nintendo or Intelligent Systems does with the games; what we can change however is what we take of it or how we express our responses to it.

    The prevalence of overtly sexual comments within the community

    The majority of people who frequent r/fireemblem or other communities do not make suggestive comments but it is something that is prevalent enough to where it piles up. Oftentimes when one sees fanart of a character on the subreddit, it isn't hard to scroll down and see sexual comments such as this or this that comment on the sexual characteristics of a character. People talking about wanting to do things with themselves upon seeing their fanart, while not the majority of commenters, is unfortunately not uncommon in the community.

    There is also something to be said of a large amount of art that also sexualizes characters. As we established previously, some of the official designs have become borderline softcore pornography; many pieces of art shared on this subreddit and elsewhere, while they do not show outright nudity, have gone beyond what is actually seen in the game and put characters in suggestive positions. This kind of art attracts suggestive comments even more by their very nature. Sometimes the art is of characters that are canonically underage such as Lysithea or of characters that appear underage such as Sophia; this adds in another layer of inappropriateness towards suggestive comments in this regard.

    Many suggestive comments are downvoted and oftentimes even outright removed by moderators This shows that a large portion of the community does in fact care about this and disagrees with these sorts of comments being made in the public space. However, their mere presence shows that a lot of other people find it acceptable to say these sort of things in a public space; why this is problematic will be delved in later on.

    Finally, the topic that gave the impetus of this was the continued popularity of the YouTuber Mangs up until his recent outing as a sexual predator; while none of the things described in this paragraph caused any of Mangs' outright reprehensible behavior, it is still worth discussing that people looked past it. Mangs had attracted large amounts of criticism from some segments of the community towards his continued sexualization of fictional characters; he had done this to the point where it became part of his persona. Entire videos of Mangs making suggestive remarks about characters exist such as this video of him making suggestive comments about Louise or this video of him making a waifu tierlist. Mangs also has made sexual remarks towards cosplayers multiple times as seen here, which is even more serious than his behavior towards fictional characters. Despite all of this as well as his other known bad behavior such as his use of racial and homophobic slurs, Mangs still had enough popularity to get to upwards of 90,000 subscribers which was the most of any Fire Emblem-focused YouTuber other than PhoenixMaster1 and Sagemaster15. This shows that a large portion of the community was willing to either look past Mangs' behavior or outright accept it as a "joke" that was part of his persona.

    To be clear, nobody is to blame except Mangs himself for all of the heinous acts that he has committed, or even his bad behavior that was known before this. There is not a causal relationship between his behavior towards fictional characters and his manipulation of real people; these are both caused by the mindset of objectifying women and not caring about the proper boundaries of behavior. But the fact that a large part of the community normalized Mangs' behavior and was willing to overlook or support it is indicative of a larger, problematic undercurrent which will be discussed in the next section.

    The prevalence of sexual comments erodes boundaries between the acceptable and unacceptable

    We must preface that there is not a causal relationship between the things that are being discussed. Neither making sexualized art of fictional characters of age nor looking at said art and being attracted to it nor making a one-off suggestive comment towards said art automatically makes someone a sexual predator or a bad person in any way. It does not cause a specific person to start making unwanted comments or advances towards real people, and the vast majority of people who engage in this are good people who know their boundaries and do not partake in anything remotely criminal. We are not looking to shame people for something that is not inherently harmful to other people.

    However, there is something to be said about what normalizing suggestive comments as a whole does to the community - a shifting of the community's Overton Window. The Overton Window is the range of opinions and expressions that are considered "acceptable" by a culture; while it is primarily a political concept, it can be applied here. What is happening here is that the Overton Window is shifting in a direction towards oversexualization. At first, mildly suggestive comments towards fictional characters (e.g., "X character looks hawt") are "extreme" but acceptable. As these comments are considered acceptable, over time the window shifts to where this is closer to the center and saying something more suggestive (e.g., "X character's breasts are big") has become acceptable. Finally, once this has been normalized we have gotten to the point where suggestive comments towards cosplayers such as the ones made by Mangs over the years become "extreme but acceptable" as the toxic objectification mindset is validated, and that should not be accepted.

    Let's be clear once again: this does not work in this way for specific people. A person who makes a one-off mildly suggestive comment on a sexualized piece of art or even does it repeatedly is not going to eventually become a predator. But within the community when this behavior piles up over time and is looked past or even validated, the minority that does not have the clearest boundaries between the acceptable and unacceptable start doing unacceptable things. A clear red line must be set where "humor" absolutely becomes unacceptable. The normalization of this leads to the red line, even if lenient, getting blurred - we saw this again with some of Mangs' behavior, both in his comments towards cosplayers and other behavior such as his use of racial slurs.

    Normalizing objectification to an extreme degree makes the community unwelcoming

    It must also be said that there are other problems with the normalization of oversexualization besides that it erodes boundaries. As stated previously, making suggestive comments in public towards a fictional character does not automatically make someone a bad person. However, it is still not the best idea in of itself because it makes other people uncomfortable. If suggestive comments keep getting normalized and accepted by the community, it adds up. And when there's enough of it in the community, when it reaches a critical mass, the deluge of suggestive comments/oversexualization in of itself makes people uncomfortable.

    Many people of all genders and identities may feel uncomfortable because of this. When these sorts of messages commenting solely on the sexual characteristics of characters piles up, it sends a message that people in the community are apt to reduce characters to objects where the only thing that matters is their sexual characteristics. We have faith that most of the people who do this do not actually believe this; most of the people who do this are good people who do not objectify people in general and are polite and well-behaved towards all people. But good intentioned as it may be, it does not change the message that is being sent both to people inside the community and outside the community.

    Do we know for sure that this is the message that is felt by some? Yes! In fact, I have seen multiple people on previous threads comment that it made them feel uncomfortable; one person even said that they stopped participating in the community because of the uptick and normalization of this behavior. Artists themselves may feel uncomfortable sharing their art if they mostly get comments on the sexualized characteristics of their art rather than feedback towards the actual artstyle; even artists that make art that goes in a lewd direction may feel uncomfortable because of this. And that's only of people within the community. Imagine how many people have been turned off from participating in the community by the flood of art posts on the front page that are borderline softcore pornographic and the comments on said posts that reduce said characters to sexual objects.

    It's not okay if people are feeling too uncomfortable to participate fully in the community, feeling excluded because of the critical mass of behavior of others. They are not the problem at all, and it is not up to them to change their opinions or leave if they don't like it. It's not that they disagree over which character should be shipped with who or which gameplay strategy is optimal; it's more serious than that. Fire Emblem is meant to be a game which is enjoyed by many people of all colors, creeds, genders, identities, and so on; the community should do the same and welcome all people.

    An unwelcoming attitude by some to LGBTQIA+ people is not okay

    Problematic attitudes towards LGBTQIA+ people in the community is another issue that is driving good people away. Many of the controversial posts here on this Reddit have to do with this in some way, such as discussions on the maltreatment of canonically homosexual characters in the game or art of characters that depicts them as homosexual. Even today topics discussing things like this are oftentimes mass-downvoted and receive poor reception, whether it is under the guise of "don't force homosexuality on the games" or straight-up bigotry.

    This is not okay. Nobody is forcing homosexuality on the game or other people by discussing same-sex pairings or anything of that nature; in fact, it is breaking heteronormativity (the treatment of people, by default, as "heterosexual" and heterosexuality being considered the "normal") that is seen throughout the entire series. This should not be used as an excuse for bigotry towards the LGBT+ community; this is 2020 and we are past that. We must be welcoming to all people, even if you think they are "unnatural."

    Content creators should not be idolized

    Content creators are essential to the Fire Emblem community. They create wonderful works for the community to enjoy, bring up points of view and disseminate them in a way a layperson cannot, and bring newcomers into the community. But it must be said that content creators are not perfect human beings. Sometimes they make smaller mistakes, sometimes they make bigger ones, and rarely a content creator may do something heinous. When a content creator makes an error in judgment and misbehaves, they should be held accountable. This does not mean that anyone who does any sort of questionable thing should immediately be "cancelled;" they should be allowed to respond and grow as a person. But content creators should not have bad behavior looked past solely because they produce good content otherwise and they should not be enabled or encouraged to do so.

    On the same note, viewers should be careful not to idolize content creators. Content creators are not your friend; they present only the curated portion of their selves. Parasocial relationships are one-sided and you do not truly know the person unless you have gone beyond just "fan and personality" which for the vast majority of people does not happen. One cannot rush to blindly follow or idolize a person who they do not truly know. If a content creator is accused of something problematic, a person should not blindly defend them or blindly rush to attack them but instead wait for facts to come out before coming to a judgment.

    Content creators must be aware of their responsibilities

    Content creators and others who have an influence on the community must be aware of the responsibilities that their position carries. The opinions and actions of content creators do have an influence on the community; the credibility behind the name of a content creator will combined by said opinions be enough to change the opinions of many, if not change the tides in a community regarding a subject completely. Therefore content creators should be careful to not use their platforms to advocate for positions or actions that are damaging to the community. Content creators should be aware that by virtue of being looked up to, they are in the spotlight and should be held to a higher standard than a layperson in the community. Hasty actions based on emotion can and likely will be overanalyzed, so that must be taken in consideration as well.

    Content creators also must be aware that they have power over their fans; this power cannot be abused to their own ends. This means that a fanbase should not be galvanized to attack other people or things, whether this is done intentionally or not. It is possible to accidentally do this, so the tone when taking a position on something matters tremendously. For this reason content creators must be careful about what message they are sending to fans, and they must not have the appearance of impropriety even if the intentions are good.

    On the same note, content creators should also be very cautious about intimate relationships with fans as it is fairly easy, overtly or subconsciously, for content creators to exploit their power advantage with a fan in these kinds of situations. The power dynamics are unbalanced in favor of the content creator who is likely already looked up to by the fan as an authority figure. While these relationships cannot be fully banned and they are not always going to be toxic, it should be said that they oftentimes are inherently problematic and can go awry very quickly.

    If a content creator is accused of a serious malfeasance, they must respond in the most mature way possible, regardless of how credible the allegation is or not. Ad hominem/unsubstantiated attacks against the credibility of the accuser do not help anyone. Content creators (and their friends) should be careful not to appear hasty to shut down the allegation because this creates an environment which stifles any criticism or pointing towards wrongdoing - they must avoid forming a "mob" to immediately shut down criticism of a friend. It is the responsibility of the accused to defend themselves, not their friend. The rest of the community must exercise a caution to find a boundary between taking all allegations seriously and entering a mob mentality to hastily make a judgment on either side.

    Finally, content creators who use crude humor should be aware of their boundaries. This does not mean that content creators must always stay away from crude humor, but they must be cautious not to have said humor go in a direction that creates a toxic environment. It is best to hold content creators to a higher, less lenient standard for what is "appropriate" or not than a regular person due to the large audience (and influence) that a content creator has, and content creators should be willing to listen to concerns about this. And of course crude humor should not be used to justify engaging in bigoted behavior, fake or real, in content as that definitely creates an unwelcoming environment.

    What the Community can do to rein in these issues

    The past few pages have been a lot to unpack and we have touched upon several issues. We must now address how we, as a community, can go forward and make it a better place for everyone. This is a complex issue and there is no one answer; dealing in absolutes in either direction is not going to solve the problem. The first thing that can be said though is the obvious answer: treat your fellow human being with the dignity they deserve. Do not be rude to other people because they disagree with your opinion and do not be aggressive. If everyone treated each other in a dignified manner, a lot of issues not just in the community but in the entire world would be solved. Do not take personal offense to anyone saying something to you that you disagree with, and on the flipside do not hold it personally against someone if you think they are doing something objectionable - people do not need to be shamed for actions that do not directly hurt others.

    In regards to the problem of oversexualization being accepted: banning any art that remotely shows skin or banning all comments that are remotely sexual is not going to be productive, and that is not what is being suggested at all. What can be done is trying to tone down the amount of objectification that occurs in the community, a sort of change in mindset.

    To the people who regularly make suggestive comments in public: If you find yourself making these comments repeatedly, you may want to take a step back and ask yourself if you are taking things to excess. It's okay to have these feelings even if it is towards a fictional character, but think about if you're doing it too much and what sort of message that is sending to others. And the next time you find yourself about to type out a suggestive message on some thread, ask yourself if it actually adds anything to the conversation or if it is a liability to making others uncomfortable. And absolutely do not make unsolicited suggestive comments to cosplayers or anyone else that is real: that is not okay at all and very clearly crosses boundaries.

    If you feel uncomfortable that people are making suggestive comments, whether you're a content creator or just a regular redditor, it may be worth it to say something. Don't phrase things in an aggressive or holier-than-thou attitude, but start off by constructively pointing out how this behavior may be problematic. Lecturing and education are two different things; the former only makes everyone more heated, the latter is a learning moment for everyone. Being a passive bystander won't help the community get better. And if you are told that your comments make someone feel uncomfortable, don't shrug it off as someone getting offended; lend an ear to the person and hear what they have to say before you make a judgment.

    The amount of art that verges into adult territory may have to be reined in, too. People who curate a community may want to start tightening their restrictions on art if not already. Swimsuits are not inherently sexual, but characters in revealing swimsuits in suggestive positions definitely are sexual. Public and semi-public communities which do not primarily cater to the distribution of pornographic art may not want to be the place where such art is distributed and viewed to the point where it takes up a significant portion of conversation; this should be taken into mind.

    Bigotry, whether it is towards the LGBTQIA+ community or others, is not something that can be directly changed. What can be changed is that the community put its collective foot down that this kind of behavior, even jokingly, is not welcome. Casually throwing around slurs is not welcome, even as a joke, and this behavior should not be met with laughter but with the drawing of attention towards why it is problematic.

    Content creators, moderators, and other people with influence cannot force the community to change. This is not going to happen by some top-down imposition of codes of conduct. However, they can use their influence to lead the community in the right direction. It is important that their influence is used to do this - not in a lecturing manner but in a non-confrontational manner that educates people on why certain actions can hurt others. On the flipside, the community must hold content creators accountable - not going out to immediately crucify anyone upon the first sign of wrongdoing, but to make sure that content creators are not allowed to blatantly engage in bad behavior without any sort of questioning in return.

    In general, if you are a bystander and you see something problematic, it is best not to just watch. Say something if you can - not in a rude or aggressive manner, but in a way that is welcoming to the other person for a fulfilling discussion. This on its own will help a lot with making the community more welcoming to all.

    Conclusion

    These past few days have revealed that there are a lot of issues with the Fire Emblem community. These issues have been simmering under the surface for a while and now have come to the forefront of discussion. They are complex issues that cannot be simply solved with one or two changes, and they cannot be summarily imposed in a top-down fashion by moderators, content creators, and other influencers. Instead, we must all participate and try to make our own steps to change the world around us. Going to absolutist extremes will not solve the problems; on the other hand, a lot of thoughtful discussion will go a long way.

    This letter should be read fully and the arguments and topics brought up by it should not be immediately dismissed; if possible share it across the community as these are serious topics that all people must be aware of. We must not go to absolute extremes but instead must fully consider all points of view and give each point of view the weight it should be accorded. These are serious issues that all people should be aware of and we must all strive to fix them. All of us stand to gain from making the community better and more welcoming.

    I would like to thank all of the people who have participated in these discussions in the past few days; this inspired me to write this letter which I have worked on for much of the past four days. I also would like to thank the various users on the r/fireemblem Discord who have graciously looked over this letter and given criticism towards it to help improve it. And finally, I must thank the community at large: we will get through this. These may seem to be "dark times" right now but we are going to grow from this to become a better community.

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    Post Timeskip Ingrid Reference

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 06:20 PM PDT

    Dire Emblem: Awakening - Chapter 14.1

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 08:34 AM PDT

    [OC]Church of Seiros

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 08:34 AM PDT

    Deltre weighing in on the Chaz accusations

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 06:57 AM PDT

    Tobin Fanart (Fire Emblem Echoes) [OC]

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 11:03 AM PDT

    GBA M!Corrin portrait because why not?

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 09:10 AM PDT

    r/fireemblem and being a positive space to women and queer people

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 08:57 AM PDT

    In light of recent drama and a shift in attitudes against Mangs, I want to bring to light a discussion topic: how the FE community (particularly r/fireemblem) treats queer people and women).

    A brief history lesson: Fire Emblem is notable for being a series that queer people have long felt safe and included in, way before the current day. The Tellius duology had Ike and Soren, a gay couple consisting of the main character of the duology and his partner, along with Heather, a canonical lesbian. Queer-coded or outright queer characters existed beyond them, with Lucius and Raven and Legault from FE7, or Dagdar and Marty and Homer in FE5. With Fates, we had the option to marry same-sex characters, and characters like Soleil and Forrest, who were bisexual and had gender expressions/identities many transgender people related to. It was the same for women, as Fire Emblem has always had casts of characters with almost half of them being female, and being just as fleshed out and nuanced as the male ones.

    This subreddit used to better reflect this, with queer people having felt safe and frequently made content and contributing to discussion among the community, I remember posts by people saying Lucius and Forrest helped them realize they were transgender, and when FE16's gay options were revealed, there was a lot of support for people disappointed when it turned out there were less-than-stellar same-sex marriage options for men. Things have changed, since around a year ago, though.

    A lot of trans-positive posts attract downvote mobs and transphobic commentors, many being downvoted below 0 upvotes. Example A,, example B, and example C.

    In regards to Mangs, he was pretty instrumental in shaping the FE community's culture, and acted homophobic and sexist, such as naming Leon's bow "Faggot" in his SoV run, or his long history of creeping on and sexualizing female characters/real women, and anti-feminist statements. There's a list of all the major bigoted, creepy, or predatory things he's done that I'll leave here, but his repeated doing of these things normalized them within the community, and he was bar none the most influential figure and content creator in the fanbase.

    There has actually been opposition to Mangs for a long time, since as far back as 2018, by the people who saw his behavior for what it was. Not coincidentally, many of those people were queer people or women, and frequently were members of left-leaning communities as well. Many of them were my personal friends, and I heard about the worst things Mangs has done, including Soleil's harassment accusations that were largely ignored at the time they came out a year ago, through them in our Discord hangouts.

    Misogyny, homophobia, and transphobia are huge issues in gaming communities, and in this subreddit there have always been odd creeps here and there, but I honestly believe this sub has gotten worse community-wise in the last year or so, which is tied to Mangs's rise in popularity and how he influenced the community, along with new users of the sub entering in. A lot of the people I used to see and interact with on this subreddit for have since become less active, and the community feels less accepting as well, which is tragic compared to what it used to be like. In the wake of this subreddit turning against Mangs, we should evaluate the culture in this community, and try to make it into a more accepting space.

    We need to support women and LGBTQ+ people in the community, and make it visible when doing so. The comfort and safety of women and queer people needs to be accepted as a default, not a controversial topic that can be debated, and those who compromise that shouldn't be tolerated at the expense of the people they drive away. Casual homophobia, transphobia, and sexism shouldn't be tolerated, it should be called out and opposed. This community can and should be so much better, and we should make it better ourselves, in the wake of so many people waking up to the issues inside of this community.

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    Fallen Star

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 05:58 PM PDT

    Claude Recolored as Hilda

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 11:25 AM PDT

    My boy

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 02:01 PM PDT

    I painted Clarine and Louise!

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 10:56 AM PDT

    [OC] The Shepherds

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 06:21 PM PDT

    Watching the sun

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 06:08 PM PDT

    Ace of Clubs (Art by Me)

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 11:35 AM PDT

    Fire Emblem Character Survey - Day 2: Shadows of Valentia.

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 01:57 PM PDT

    Alm's Path: https://forms.gle/cvNoNVpPhNW8TQ6f7

    Celica's Path: https://forms.gle/erzGgg8a25ZwGbGz8

    DLC characters, Antagonists and NPCs: https://forms.gle/QsZKa441YL9txaBe8

    Important note: The reason why I didn't post yesterday was because real life stuff happened. In fact, from now on, I will have to post polls once every two days instead of everyday precisely because I'm still going through it at the moment and can't see when it will end. It's nothing too serious, don't worry, but it does take time away from me. Sorry about that.

    The 3H results aren't quite ready yet, but you won't have to wait for them long. Give them a few hours. All I can tell you is that damn, people REALLY like Marianne.

    Changes from last time (which will probably affect most polls from now on):

    • As you can see, there are now three polls instead of one large poll with all characters. But I'm not sure how practical it is compared to dividing the poll into sections.

    • I have severely cut down on the number of side characters. The only antagonists on the poll are the main ones (excluding people like Grieth and Nuibaba and including Berkut, Fernand, Rudolf, etc.) and there are only two NPCs who are not antagonists.

    • You no longer have to rate everyone. If you take on all three polls, you'll have to vote for most characters, but you can get away with completing one poll and leaving the other two (not too recommended, but still an option). Even then, there are precisely six characters who don't need to be voted for; Sonya and Deen (fairly well-known, but mutually exclusive), and the DLC characters (who are, well, DLC and technically come from Cipher, but were added here because I'm not sure there is enough interest for making a spinoff poll for Cipher). I'm wondering if making most characters necessary votes is actually even that necessary, but I think SoV can get away with it due to its fairly reductive cast, easy to obtain supports and straightforward structure.

    • All ratings have their equivalent number on a scale from 1 to 5 next to them. The "Hate" rating has also been renamed into "Strongly Dislike", and "Mixed Feelings" has been shortened into "Mixed".

    Without further ado, let's get started, and sorry for being unable to post as consistently and regularly as I'd want to. If you spot any mistakes or issues, do try to notify me.

    EDIT: Regarding giving characters negative ratings, consider the following:

    • Was the character meant to be disliked? If you dislike them as much as the writers intended, hit 'em with a positive or neutral rating. If you dislike them more than the writers intended, then hit 'em with a negative. This rule actually applies to all characters, be them heroes, villains, intentionally likable or intentionally unlikable.

    • Do you think you would enjoy the game more if they were removed or had a smaller role? If yes, give them a negative rating. If not, you should probably think it over a bit.

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    We should be doing what community figureheads failed to do

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 02:59 PM PDT

    Recently a user named Indie_Calls came out on twitter with a rape accusation against youtuber Chaz Aria LLC. While nothing has been proven, there is clear cause for alarm in the material provided in the accusation, namely discord messages where Chaz coerces and manipulates her into sharing a hotel room, which she clearly states that she is uncomfortable with, and the fact they had sex in the hotel room, again something she stated she was uncomfortable with in the messages.

    In my opinion this has resulted in two major complications in the community: false narrative that these accusation have been disproven in the past or in the present, and serious mistreatment of a possible victim of sexual assault.

    A user by the name of henrythefiend accused Indie_Calls of manipulating her, but never provided any evidence of the matter. And the few messages he provided show nothing of the sort. Later he also stated that they "cannot speak about whether or not she is telling the truth about what Chaz did". LuckyCrit was quick to defend Chaz also, claiming that these accusations were already disproven a year ago through evidence, without actually providing said evidence. He also claimed that everything was consensual between the two based on later messages, which in reality proves nothing about possible coercion or assault, for example the case of Goose and Mangs.

    The fact that figureheads of the community have let these things happen after grandstanding about believing the victims and how brave it is to speak out against abuse is nothing short of pathetic. Whether or not these accusations are true I can not imagine any abuse victim speaking out after this, and that is an unacceptable result of this communitys actions.

    Im making this post in the hopes that people would spread the message that the accusations made by Indie_Calls have not been disproven now or before, there is no reason to believe her accusations cannot be trusted except hearsay, and that people should show her some more support, and do what others did not.

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    My DMs with Indie

    Posted: 12 Jul 2020 07:21 PM PDT

    The fact that you are all picking sides before all the evidence has come out is callous. Chaz asked me not to tell my story until he told his, but that wouldn't be right, so I've decided I'm going to do the right thing. Not for Indie, not for Chaz. Here is the link to the transcript between Indie and I.

    Sorry for continuing this drama, but the sooner I get this out, the sooner I can leave the FE community for good.

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